By: Sue Lani Madsen | Special to unDivided
There’s essential information, nice-to-have information, and why-are-you-telling-me-this information. HB 1015 is about requiring more of the latter. It would allow counties and cities to place a new requirement on residential sellers – requiring a home energy score before publicly listing a house for sale.
But it’s information buyers routinely ignore, according to folks in Oregon.
Washington state doesn’t have to be the crash test dummy for HB 1015. Portland first adopted residential energy labeling in 2017, joined later by the Oregon cities of Hillsboro, Milwaukie and Bend, effective July 1, 2023.
It wasn’t hard to check out how it’s working in Oregon, and researching those outcomes should be an essential part of any bill before it comes to committee. Randomly calling a central Oregon brokerage led to a productive conversation with Susanna Abrahamson, licensed Realtor and former chair of the Realtor’s government affairs committee at the time the requirement was adopted. A Home Energy Score (HES) as defined by the federal Department of Energy is mandated within the city limits of Bend for anyone selling their home with a realtor.
When Abrahamson tells sellers about the requirement, the reaction is . . . Why? Another expense? Do we have to? And what if we don’t?
On the buyer side, “people generally don’t even look at it. It’s mostly irrelevant,” said Abrahamson. “The vast majority of people do not care . . . I haven’t had a single client do something differently” in their decision making based on the Home Energy Score.
There are sincere, good intentions behind HB 1015 but it suffers from the Olympia “if it sounds good, it must be good” rule. Everywhere else, outcomes matter.
Home energy labeling was described at the January 17 Environment and Energy Committee hearing as a simple rating system, like a miles-per-gallon sticker on a new car. Home buyers would be able to compare mileage between houses, like one SUV to another. Except houses, especially houses up for resale, don’t have the consistency of a single make and model right off an assembly line.
Testimony and questions at the hearing highlighted the lack of inspectors as a barrier to a successful outcome for HB 1015. According to the Oregon experience, it appears the consistency of the inspections is also an issue.
Abrahamson described different certified inspectors rating a series of newly constructed homes with very different home energy score numbers. Or two inspectors reviewing the same house and coming up with different numbers.
Inconsistency has led to urban legends, like the one about sellers stacking solar panels in the garage so the energy score would go up. There were indeed solar panels on the property even if they weren’t producing power, following the letter if not the spirit of the program, so an inspector checked it off. Parsing words is what people do when forced to jump through hoops perceived to add no value to their lives.
Another concern raised at the committee hearing was the extra time to schedule an energy audit, and the subsequent delay in selling. Would waiting for an HES rating be a bottleneck to getting a home on the market quickly? Would it be a particular barrier for rural properties?
Michigan has a requirement similar to HB 1015, and a little poking around found a two month wait to get on the calendar of Ecotelligent Homes of Farmington Hills (near Detroit) for an inspection. Their travel policy indicates they like to stay within a 45-minute drive of their office, so rural Michigan is out of luck.
Apparently yes, getting an HES could be a bottleneck.
It's a conclusion based on the appointment calendar of a single company, but a conclusion no more speculative than assuming the demand for certified energy assessors will draw enough people to the currently empty field to eliminate backlogs. Ecotelligent Homes is plenty busy in Michigan. It’s reasonable to assume the future certified inspectors of Washington would be equally busy and just as prone to stay close to home base.
The language behind HB 1015 appears to be drawn from the Better Buildings program of the Department of Energy, available for use by any jurisdiction. It is unclear what purpose HB 1015 serves if counties and cities can already do it on their own. Thurston County is about to adopt a model ordinance for home energy labeling that has been in the works for three years. Why not wait and see what the outcomes are in Olympia, Lacey and Tumwater?
Touted as a market driven way to improve energy efficiency in existing homes, is HB 1015 really going to be useful for buyers in making a decision? For reducing energy consumption?
I asked my cousins David and Alena T. who sold a house in Portland within the last two years how the requirement affected their sale. David looked it up. “Our agent just marked the HES as a 1 on the listing, said people didn’t pay any attention to it and not worth putting any money towards it. Doesn’t matter for a good house in a good location.”
There you have it on HB 1015. Nobody cares. Houses sell. The market has spoken.
Of course, that won’t stop lawmakers in Olympia from proceeding.
HB 1015 was scheduled for Executive Session in the Environment and Energy Committee on January 24. Prime sponsor Rep. Davina Duerr (D-Bothell) submitted a proposed substitute expanding the program, if adopted by a county or city, to “include duplexes, triplexes, quadplexes, cottage housing, townhouses, and attached accessory dwelling units in addition to single family residences” and to allow the adopting county to add additional categories of ratings.
PSHB was moved out of Committee on a party line vote, all Democrats in favor, all Republicans opposed. If you’re thinking of selling property in a county likely to jump on this bandwagon, keep an eye on this bill.
About the author:
Sue Lani Madsen calls herself an accidental journalist after 30 years as an architect. She spent nine years as a weekly columnist for the Spokesman-Review, writing about public policy and other topics reflecting her experience in agriculture as a rancher, rural healthcare and urban disaster response as an EMT, and wildland fire and forest policy as a firefighter. She publishes on Substack and The Center Square. She will also be contributing her expertise to unDivided's coverage of the 2025 Legislative Session. Sue Lani lives on a ranch west of Spokane with husband Craig, 200 plus goats and three dogs.
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I was honored this week to join President Donald Trump, Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Kash Patel, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, and other independent content creators for a roundtable on Antifa.
While a certain joke about TDS is getting a lot of attention, the underlying mission of the meeting was serious – deadly serious.

For years, organized left-wing radicals have sought to influence public policy through coercion: using harassment, threats, vandalism, and violence as their tools. From the Occupy movement, to the May Day riots, to the "Summer of Love" and up to the most recent anti-ICE actions, I've followed these activities closely – and been the target of their tactics far too many times.
Whether you call them Antifa, terrorists, radicals, or just criminals – understanding, investigating, and disrupting violent extremism in all forms should be a nonpartisan pursuit.

Here are my full remarks to President Donald Trump:
Mr. President, you’re going to hear us be very fired up today, as you can tell. It’s because some of us have been covering Antifa for 15 years and have never had anyone in a position of authority even acknowledge their existence.
The single most powerful thing you’ve done to deal with this scourge has been acknowledging that Antifa is a real thing. I genuinely believe there would be people at these tables who would be dead today and would have been killed in Portland had you not called them a terror organization and said you're going to bring the full weight of the federal government to bear.
I talked to Katie Daviscourt in Portland the other day. She’d been assaulted all summer. And she said the same thing. They didn’t seem as quick to violence as soon as you made that designation. They’re worried. There’s been two dozen or so arrested in Portland. They don’t want to go to federal prison.
There’s this video of one of them who was in the face of an ICE agent and then he’s in custody shaking. Once you take the mask off, they’re nothing.
I was told by probably a dozen people not to tell you this. I’m going to tell you anyway because it’s relevant to what we’re talking about. I’m living proof that you can recover from TDS. I had strong Trump Derangement Syndrome for probably eight years. This is one of the reasons I recovered from it.
By the way, it’s much better to not have TDS. I’m happier. I’m healthier. I'm more successful. I even think I got a little more attractive after I got rid of my TDS.
I’m a reporter in Seattle and frankly, I could not care any less what any of you have to say about this meeting (looks to Press Corps). I could not care any less. We’re not here for you. I’m not here to convince any of you that Antifa is a real thing. Because if you have not come to that conclusion by now, you are never going to come to that conclusion because you don’t want to see it. And you’re going to say it’s a bunch of right-wing conservative influencers who are here spinning a tale.
I was one of you. I was a mainstream reporter in Seattle for 10 years. I was a TV reporter, on the streets, doing my job and I was still assaulted by Antifa. So, it’s not about being conservative. It’s about people who go out there and show what they’re doing.
When I saw after all those years that the media wouldn’t be honest about what was happening, that Democratic politicians wouldn’t be honest about what was happening, I thought, well, if they’re not being honest about that, maybe they’re not being honest about President Trump either. It opened my mind to just looking at things for what they were. And now I find you quite funny, actually (looks to President Trump).
Again, I could not care any less the stories that go to print. This is what I care about: We have three and a half years. Nothing is guaranteed. Although, I think if Democrats keep it up, we’ll probably have Republican presidents for the next three decades. But nothing is guaranteed. So, what I want to see over the next three and a half years is a fullcourt press to dismantle Antifa once and for all in a meaningful way. I know Andy Ngo, we talked before this about some ideas. We want the federal government to take as many of these cases as possible and look at the interstate travel between Portland and Seattle when it comes to these people who are committing violent acts.
Hopefully, in three and a half years, they will be a shell of their former selves.
President Trump:
Well I think we're very close, and it’s Antifa and many others. Unfortunately, there are many others, bad ones. Most have been named terrorist organizations. There a couple that we’re going to focus on, but I think we’ve got it pretty well covered, but there are many others. Specifically today is Antifa and it’s really bad and we’re going to get it cleaned up.
Thank you very much. I’m glad you no longer have TDS. I feel very good about that. Thank you.

There will be no live show today, September 29.
Why?
I'm on the ground in Portland, doing my best to sort through competing narratives about what's happening outside the ICE facility here.
President Donald Trump declared the city a "war zone," mobilized the National Guard, and authorized Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to use "full force" to finally bring months of unrest outside the facility to an end.
Democratic leadership, including Portland Mayor Keith Wilson, Oregon Governor Tina Kotek, and U.S. Senator Ron Wyden, have called the city "safe and calm," suggesting there is no need for federal intervention.
As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle. But after just one night on the ground, it is clear that Portland has failed to address the unrest in any meaningful way for more than 100 days. The federal government has a right to protect federal assets and agents, especially considering the abdication of responsibility from local leaders, but what level of intervention is appropriate?
We will be back on air tomorrow, September 30, at our regular time with a special report. In the meantime, the best way to follow breaking updates is on any one of my social media platforms:
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